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Quietduck
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Was it just me or didn't I see a lot of offensive linemen moving off and on the field. I have to think they were doing more than just bringing water to the starters. Didn't we have a recruit go else where because we rotate our defensive line to much and he was afraid that he might not get enough time? The way the media tells it you would think that we are having to bring in linemen from the debate team. While I know that we are having to replace several of our "starters" I don't see any of our first team without significant if not large amounts of playtime. I know the press has to talk about something, but it must cause facial deformities to talk out of both side of their mouths as often as they do.

Someone go to the spring game for me and scream your head off. This will be the first year I have missed in quite a while but I have new business I'm starting and Saturday is selling day for me.

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Quietduck wrote:Was it just me or didn't I see a lot of offensive linemen moving off and on the field. I have to think they were doing more than just bringing water to the starters. Didn't we have a recruit go else where because we rotate our defensive line to much and he was afraid that he might not get enough time? The way the media tells it you would think that we are having to bring in linemen from the debate team. While I know that we are having to replace several of our "starters" I don't see any of our first team without significant if not large amounts of playtime. I know the press has to talk about something, but it must cause facial deformities to talk out of both side of their mouths as often as they do.

Someone go to the spring game for me and scream your head off. This will be the first year I have missed in quite a while but I have new business I'm starting and Saturday is selling day for me.

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I take it you are referring to today's practice with the rotation of lineman? as far as the next point about missing out on a recruit, some rumor that it was delvin simmons but all we really know is that Chip said that the "pace of our practices has been a deterrent" for a few kids but it wasn't about how often we rotate DL because frankly with the amount of plays the D typically faces you have to rotate.

The OL lost 3 starters, returns York and Asper but Weems has started a few and Cody has seem lots of reps. Biggest ? for the OL is finding out who takes over at Center.

On the DL we lost 3, return 1 in Turner but everyone on the 2 deep at DL has seen pt. I'm actually pretty excited for what our DL could do this year as I am really high on the potential of Dion Jordan (and the wicked shot he laid on Cam in the NC game) and we're all hopeful that Ricky Heimuli turns into a stud.

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Quietduck
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Actually, I'm more referring to last year and our recruiting year. Most if not all of these reporters spent great sections of their time and their medias space talking about the rotation of our lines and how we moved players in and out to keep up their speed. Yet when it comes to replacing three players out of rotations of what 8-12 man groups they act like the new "starters" have never sniffed the field before. I don't mind if some of these people can't or don't keep up on what the Ducks change but they should at least remember the reports they have done.

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Quietduck wrote:Actually, I'm more referring to last year and our recruiting year. Most if not all of these reporters spent great sections of their time and their medias space talking about the rotation of our lines and how we moved players in and out to keep up their speed. Yet when it comes to replacing three players out of rotations of what 8-12 man groups they act like the new "starters" have never sniffed the field before. I don't mind if some of these people can't or don't keep up on what the Ducks change but they should at least remember the reports they have done.

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well, while we do rotate our OL, we didn't have a rotation that went 12 deep - it was more like 8-9 and one of the problems was that one of those backups (Forer) was also a SR so of those 9. Weems and Cody should fit in just fine with York and Asper, but finding a C and a few others to back them up is still a bit of an unknown. We're in a fairly similar situation with the line as we were when we went into Boise - we had guys who had played, but lacked quality pt. Until they prove themselves as capable starters, you can't just assume that they're going to slide in with no problems. In something like the last 7 seasons we've had 3 guys play Center in Enoka Lucas, Max Unger and Jordan Holmes; finding a new Center is arguably our biggest priority over spring/summer

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Duck07 has it right though I would take it a step further. The O-Line particularly the guards and center have to play as a unit. Since both centers this year will be new there will be zero experience with the guard-center double teams that are quite intricate in the Ducks zone blocking scheme. It takes a lot of reps as a unit for an o-line to really get a feel for each other.

Two of the 3 new starters will have a lot of game experience as backups, the 3rd will none and all the back-ups will have no game experience at all. This will be one of the 2 least experienced lines in the PAC-12. I cringe at the thought of the first game. Will the snaps be as bad as they were at the beginning of 2009 (or for Florida last year)? Will one to three opposing players walk untouched into the offensive backfield each play? It happened in 2009 with the same coaches in the same system, it is certainly possible it can happen again.

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GrandpaDuck wrote:Duck07 has it right though I would take it a step further. The O-Line particularly the guards and center have to play as a unit. Since both centers this year will be new there will be zero experience with the guard-center double teams that are quite intricate in the Ducks zone blocking scheme. It takes a lot of reps as a unit for an o-line to really get a feel for each other.

Two of the 3 new starters will have a lot of game experience as backups, the 3rd will none and all the back-ups will have no game experience at all. This will be one of the 2 least experienced lines in the PAC-12. I cringe at the thought of the first game. Will the snaps be as bad as they were at the beginning of 2009 (or for Florida last year)? Will one to three opposing players walk untouched into the offensive backfield each play? It happened in 2009 with the same coaches in the same system, it is certainly possible it can happen again.

This has been "keeping me awake at night"... I have this uneasy feeling about the LSU game turning into the BSU2009 game all over again (sans right jabs). I have to trust the coaches/CK that they'll have our guys ready to play, that game in Dallas is huge. HUGE.

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This has been "keeping me awake at night"... I have this uneasy feeling about the LSU game turning into the BSU2009 game all over again (sans right jabs). I have to trust the coaches/CK that they'll have our guys ready to play, that game in Dallas is huge. HUGE.

My guess is the winner of this game will have the top spot in the minds of most people.

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L Perry
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uodux1212 wrote:

GrandpaDuck wrote:Duck07 has it right though I would take it a step further. The O-Line particularly the guards and center have to play as a unit. Since both centers this year will be new there will be zero experience with the guard-center double teams that are quite intricate in the Ducks zone blocking scheme. It takes a lot of reps as a unit for an o-line to really get a feel for each other.

Two of the 3 new starters will have a lot of game experience as backups, the 3rd will none and all the back-ups will have no game experience at all. This will be one of the 2 least experienced lines in the PAC-12. I cringe at the thought of the first game. Will the snaps be as bad as they were at the beginning of 2009 (or for Florida last year)? Will one to three opposing players walk untouched into the offensive backfield each play? It happened in 2009 with the same coaches in the same system, it is certainly possible it can happen again.

This has been "keeping me awake at night"... I have this uneasy feeling about the LSU game turning into the BSU2009 game all over again (sans right jabs). I have to trust the coaches/CK that they'll have our guys ready to play, that game in Dallas is huge. HUGE.

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L Perry wrote:

uodux1212 wrote:

GrandpaDuck wrote:Duck07 has it right though I would take it a step further. The O-Line particularly the guards and center have to play as a unit. Since both centers this year will be new there will be zero experience with the guard-center double teams that are quite intricate in the Ducks zone blocking scheme. It takes a lot of reps as a unit for an o-line to really get a feel for each other.

Two of the 3 new starters will have a lot of game experience as backups, the 3rd will none and all the back-ups will have no game experience at all. This will be one of the 2 least experienced lines in the PAC-12. I cringe at the thought of the first game. Will the snaps be as bad as they were at the beginning of 2009 (or for Florida last year)? Will one to three opposing players walk untouched into the offensive backfield each play? It happened in 2009 with the same coaches in the same system, it is certainly possible it can happen again.

This has been "keeping me awake at night"... I have this uneasy feeling about the LSU game turning into the BSU2009 game all over again (sans right jabs). I have to trust the coaches/CK that they'll have our guys ready to play, that game in Dallas is huge. HUGE.

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But BSU had a good offense. LSU's qb isnt good. And if they start the jc qb, it will be his first big game on a big scale. Balances out.

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duckfan96 wrote:But BSU had a good offense. LSU's qb isnt good. And if they start the jc qb, it will be his first big game on a big scale. Balances out.

Yeah you're right in that BSU has this kid named Kellen Moore (who for my money, is as clutch a QB as there is in CFB; kid just wins games and doesn't make many mistakes). That being said, what lost us the Boise game was not their Offense, but our OLine play; like many have said thus far.

I will say that there are a couple of important points that differentiate between the two years. One, while abstract I still think its important, is that the culture of the program has effectively shifted. There are lofty expectations from a player's standpoint of where they should be as a program; changing the way they prepare and compete, even in a practice setting, I believe will have these guys gelling quicker than the squad we took into Boise. Secondly, and I think most importantly, is that we should be a much more balanced team offensively than the group that played at BSU. In theory we should be able to punish a defense that is being as aggressive with their run-fits as Boise was (though to be fair we weren't able to do so against Cal last year).

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Some people focus on the BSU game in 2009, but the line play was not good against Purdue and Utah the next two games either.

My biggest source of hope is I think we went into the 2009 season assuming that since we had Steve Greatwood we could just throw out any 5 bodies and be ok. So they went with a very basic playbook including holding out most of the horizontal pass plays until the Cal game. It was like the coaches were only concerned abut the PAC-10 and the Rose Bowl in their play calling.

This year I hope they are more in touch with the knowledge the O-Line may get whipped by LSU and will plan for that possibility. With an NC game as a goal instead of just the conference championship, throw your best stuff at LSU.

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GrandpaDuck wrote:Some people focus on the BSU game in 2009, but the line play was not good against Purdue and Utah the next two games either.

My biggest source of hope is I think we went into the 2009 season assuming that since we had Steve Greatwood we could just throw out any 5 bodies and be ok. So they went with a very basic playbook including holding out most of the horizontal pass plays until the Cal game. It was like the coaches were only concerned abut the PAC-10 and the Rose Bowl in their play calling.

This year I hope they are more in touch with the knowledge the O-Line may get whipped by LSU and will plan for that possibility. With an NC game as a goal instead of just the conference championship, throw your best stuff at LSU.

This is true. I had forgotten how much we struggled with Purdue especially.

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I think those who have concerns with having the o-line come out like they did against Boise are forgetting that entering that season, York and Cody hadn't played a snap in a college football game, Weems had only gotten scrap minutes against teams like Utah State, and Holmes, Asper, and Thran were all unproven, with only a handful of starts between them. In fact, Kaiser was the only one that I could even remember starting in the 2008 season. I think 4/5 of the guys that start this season will have had significant time developing in the program. Asper could elevate to an All-Pac 12 player with his skill set. I also believe the tempo Chip has developed is entirely different than what the team showed up with at Boise. Scheme could mask any glaring issues at center as long as either Armstrong, Grasu, or whoever plays center can just get the ball to the QB and get their hands on someone.

Also, many are forgetting the X-factor: Ryan Clanton coming off a redshirt year. JUCO guys have had some success at Oline here... Fenuki Tupou anyone? Kid seems like an animal too, and I think if he were at center, the perfect lineup from left to right would be: Weems (300 lbs), York (290), Clanton (300), Cody (290), and Asper (320). Quick guards, and anchors at center and tackle.

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NCDucks wrote:I think those who have concerns with having the o-line come out like they did against Boise are forgetting that entering that season, York and Cody hadn't played a snap in a college football game, Weems had only gotten scrap minutes against teams like Utah State, and Holmes, Asper, and Thran were all unproven, with only a handful of starts between them. In fact, Kaiser was the only one that I could even remember starting in the 2008 season. I think 4/5 of the guys that start this season will have had significant time developing in the program. Asper could elevate to an All-Pac 12 player with his skill set. I also believe the tempo Chip has developed is entirely different than what the team showed up with at Boise. Scheme could mask any glaring issues at center as long as either Armstrong, Grasu, or whoever plays center can just get the ball to the QB and get their hands on someone.

Also, many are forgetting the X-factor: Ryan Clanton coming off a redshirt year. JUCO guys have had some success at Oline here... Fenuki Tupou anyone? Kid seems like an animal too, and I think if he were at center, the perfect lineup from left to right would be: Weems (300 lbs), York (290), Clanton (300), Cody (290), and Asper (320). Quick guards, and anchors at center and tackle.

I agree, the experience level between the two is quite marked.

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